Episode 213: Karl Vaters makes thriving in a small church simple

There are unique challenges and advantages that come with leading a small church. Author and mentor Karl Vaters is passionate about helping small church leaders navigate those waters, and he’s back on the podcast to chat with Rusty about how to not just survive, but thrive in a small church.
90% of new churches in America are small churches, and there are some incredible lessons we can learn from what those are doing well. Our guest, Karl Vaters, is a champion for building a healthy small church, and I'm glad to have him back on the podcast. You can take a listen to the first episode we recorded here.

Karl sheds light on small churches' advantages when connecting with new people and shares some essential tips that anyone can integrate into their organization. He also gives a behind the scenes look at his upcoming book, the process of writing it, and what it means to be a proactive leader rather than a reactive leader. Whether you're a business owner, a pastor, or a church leader, there's something for you in our conversation.

Special thanks to Stadia Church Planting for sponsoring this week's episode!


Lessons from small churches - 02:48
  • What every church can learn from navigating COVID.
  • How churches can stand out in an increasingly digital world.
  • The difference between visiting a small church and a megachurch for a newcomer.

Creating a non-downloadable experience - 11:10
  • How you can G.I.F.T somebody this week.
  • Building the bridge to intentional relationship.
  • What’s working well to help people grow in their faith?
A closer look at how we “do” church - 21:49
  • Innovation and rethinking what the church can look like.
  • Is there a singular best way to lead a church?
  • What are the metrics that matter most in tracking a church’s success?
  • Being a proactive pastor and leader.

Creators and Guests

Rusty George
Rusty George
follower of Jesus, husband of lorrie, father of lindsey and sidney, pastor of real life church
Episode 213: Karl Vaters makes thriving in a small church simple
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